Rods without guides

Ron Fogelson · March 29, 2005, 09:39:41 AM

Have any of you tried these type of rods? You know the ones that have the line running inside the rod & then comes out the tip.

Tritonrob · March 29, 2005, 09:58:06 AM

I personally haven't tried them but know 2 people that have. They didn't have good luck with the,. With both of them the line broke and got stuck inside the rod and they can't get it out.

Fishaholic · March 29, 2005, 10:03:33 AM

The only rods of that nature that I know work are the ones the old-timers are using to catch gills and crappies...they're like 17' long "cane poles" made out of a telescopic tubular fiberglass...I've seen em with 3 poles in holders on the front of their boats while they quietly row along the deep breaks.

Ron Fogelson · March 29, 2005, 11:18:18 AM

I saw them in BPS catalogue a while back & thought it was a cool idea if it worked.

bass1cpr · March 29, 2005, 12:02:18 PM

Inner line rods are what they are called they came out 10 years or so back. Denny Brauer even advertised them for Diawa. They never really caught on. It was kind of a uniqe idea but it might work with the new braided super lines better than mono. If I got one for free to test that would be the only way I'd try one.

Ron Fogelson · March 29, 2005, 02:13:37 PM

Yes that was my thoughts as well, they were expensive "the ones I saw"

I just thought that the way a normal rod with guides was built that when you set the hook or were fighting a large fish the line runs on the bottom of the guides & there are lots of straight lines where your line could & does rub against the rod. So with this idea the line would be supported throughout the whole rod. I just didn't know how they would cast or how in the heck I would get the line to run inside the rod, that's a long way to feed a line without it getting kinked up inside.

John Cullum · March 29, 2005, 06:47:37 PM

I have a buddy who still has a few. He used them for one season and when all the cotton wood "cotton" feel from the trees they got clogged up so bad he was back lashing every cast. I haven't seen them on the casting deck since.

bass1cpr · March 29, 2005, 09:39:01 PM

they had a threader for them Fogy. I had never thought about the cotton wood seed problem before JC.

Fishaholic · March 30, 2005, 11:16:52 AM

the cottonwood would definitely be an issue, as would many forms of the green slime that gets on your line...and they'd be of no use during December, the line would freeze inside the rod.

The way guides work on a rod, vs the line on the inside ...hmmmm on the outside there's only so many points that have any opportunity to put drag on your line, but if the line is inside the blank, there are too many points of contact where the line could prematurely wear out...IMO.

Fish On · March 30, 2005, 08:38:45 PM

Alright I actually have one. I casted with it in my backyard. Its nice but to weird for me. I recieved it as a present ill try it this season at a place I always catch a nice private pond(cousins lake)

Ron Fogelson · March 31, 2005, 01:50:12 PM

That's great FishOn.

Make sure you let us know what you think when you get a chance. I understand the clogging thoughts & that is a definite down fall that would have to be considered. I don't know about it at all so that's why I started this to get so ideas. So you first hand knowledge is going to be great.

Fishaholic I thought that it would be more helpful with lighter line as the contact points would be over the length of the rod so as no one part of the line would have more stress on it then any other part, like with traditional line guides. However as you said with out line guides the whole line is rubbing and my cause additional ware. I would be intrested in a load or hook set test to see if one is better then the other for line breakage with 6 to 10lbs line. All so with that then we would have to look at line life to see if its less/same or more with one or the other style rods.

I just don't want to spend that kinda cash on one just to find out it didn't work or that it did work well in the yard but clogged to much while on the water but I am looking forward to FishOn to let us know.

Fishaholic · March 31, 2005, 01:55:45 PM

To me, I would think the rod sensitivity would be extraordinary..but as I already stated, I think the line rubbing against the entire length of the blank with the pressure of the weight from a fish would cause the line to deteriorate faster than normal...there's no way to know what it's really like on the inside is there?

Ron Fogelson · March 31, 2005, 02:28:25 PM

No fish there is no way to know for sure what the inside would be like. I would hope they prepped it with some sort of liner like they do with guides. It can't just be the bare insides of the blank can it?

Fishaholic · March 31, 2005, 04:52:32 PM

well I know it can't be like my guides, they're ceramic..

bass1cpr · March 31, 2005, 08:45:28 PM

If I went back through my old bassmasters i could find some info on them, but from memory they were wound like a gun barrel with rifleing. This was suppose the help with the line shooting out from the rod. The Idea of it following a truer parabolic curve was suppose the help with the overall fighting ability of the rod. The theory of guideless vs. guides was that the was no line slap against the guides because there was none. To make a long story short they never caught on but it was a very neat looking rod. On the water line breakage was the biggest complaint. There was a threader for rethreading them but it seemed that everyone thought this was too much of a hassle. I always questioned them because the hole for the line to feed thru the rod was located sort of close to the reel in my opinion.
If you really want to try a different concept of rods that the line doesn't touch the rod I'd look into a roberts wrap rod. This is the rod that the guides start on the top and wrap around the rod to be underneath like a spinning rod. During the landing of the fish the line never touches the rod and it keeps a much truer parabolic curve.

conniek · April 08, 2005, 08:47:20 AM

I remember Daiwa had come out with some of those rods. The only thing I remember about them was they seemed to be a headache. With the line inside and if you threw a lure into grass and the grass got on line, then it went inside rod too.
connie

Fish On · April 10, 2005, 05:44:24 PM

I tryed to use it today but I got really mad because I couldn't get line threw guides so I used a rod with guides. I'll use it soon once I figure it out

Fishaholic · April 10, 2005, 08:14:06 PM

We'll patiently wait for your opinion once you get it figured out...

Fish On · April 10, 2005, 08:32:52 PM

I know the problem is. You need a special leader to get it threw and I think I lost it. Which is a big hassel. I'm going to search more for it

even if its in the toilet

left_turn56 · April 11, 2005, 12:56:06 PM

Careful...that toilet water is cold...and deep too!! (that is probably before your time fishon)
left_turn56

Fish On · April 11, 2005, 02:39:43 PM

yes it is.

rudder · April 20, 2005, 08:29:48 PM

Cmon now, lets not try to reinvent the wheel.

Mike Cork · April 20, 2005, 09:55:32 PM

Yeah I think it was a gimick when it first came out but I do know several folks that bought them, but I don't know anyone still using them

Fishaholic · April 21, 2005, 10:49:20 PM

certainly wouldn't get rid of it though...it'll become a collector's item before too long.

Randy · May 04, 2005, 09:44:57 AM

I fell for the gimick several years ago. I am a Dyed-in-the-wool Diawa man. When Diawa came out with them I thought it would be a great rod so I bought two. They were terrible. First of the tip top guide which is the only guide came off both rods. There is a lot of drag through the rod so casting is not as smooth and definatley not as far. I also did not like"threading" them." You lose the little spring threader and you are screwed! They are piled in the storage shed with all the other stuff I have that does not work. Don't waste you time and money on them!