Red Eye Shad Line & Line Size ?

[chrisD46]

For your Strike King Red Eye Shad 1/2 oz. lipless crank bait users  - what is your favorite line type and size to use : FC , Mono , Co-Poly or Braid ? ... Thanks in advance for replies !

[loomisguy]

I don't fish a lipless crankbait much on Table Rock but on a bait that heavy that sinks I doubt it would matter at all.
I personally wouldn't use braid but that's personal preference. If I had to pick one.. 12lb. Invisx.
Maybe someone who fishes a place like Rayburn would have different thoughts.

[Jacobguy]

I asked some questions about crankbaits recently and Flouro seemed to be the favorite, anywhere from 12lb to 17lb.

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[coldfront]

interesting video out there by Gerald Swindle.  talking about different lipless cranks.  how they run at differing depths.

in his opinion/experience:  the redeye runs as shallow as any.  his thoughts are that it does best on 10# flouro.  where others are heavier and run deeper on same line.

guess I don't know.  I tend to run 10 or 12 lb flouro on most rods.  up to 15 when I am throwing bigger baits and really need to lay into the hook set due to heavier guage hooks.

[Mike Cork]

I love this bait. However I fish a lot different water than most. 6 foot max depth and I typically won't fish with it unless I have vegetation of some type to crash it into. So I use braid exclusively (30-50 lb)

[SteveTX]

It would depend on the rod choice and the area I planned to throw it. I have these lily pad stems that are still pretty tough even when dead. I have used 4 and 5 power moderate action rods with 20lb mono and 30lb braid when I want to get in close to the stems. My bass like the flats where all this vegetation is. You better have a bucket of those lipless if you plan to throw them on 10lb line and a soft powered rod here.

In areas that I dont need the strength I will obviously drop back to as low as 12lb mono with a compatible matching rod. 

[Capt. BassinLou]

I throw my Red eye shads on 20lb Senshi mono, on my Dobyns 735 Glass.

[rb-nc]

There are three major types of lipless bait fishing, and all need different equipment.
1 Grass fishing. I din't do any of this anymore since I don't travel around to fish anymore. You are fishing the bait in, over and around grass. The bait shines when you hang it a little and rip it free. Braided line and a high speed reel is used

2 Burning and dropping the bait. I do this a bunch around docks. Cast the bait out and burn it back but dead stop it for a fraction of a second then burn it again. Mono will work here because you aren't that far from the fish and the stretch of the line will not be bad. Deadly around pontoon boats too

3 Fishing it on the bottom. Cast it out and let it go to bottom. You can either hop it up and let it fall or fish it like a jig. Fluro would probably be best for this.

Again this is the reason I use braid to a leader for most everthing. 

[rcjoutdoors]

I tend to throw them on braid (30-50) for feel and to rip them out of the grass. I have a few rods with nice tapers.

[Smallie_Stalker]

I tend to throw them on braid (30-50) for feel and to rip them out of the grass. I have a few rods with nice tapers.

X2 on this.

Besides the methods suggested by rb-nc you can also stroke it like you would a jig, yo-yo the bait or fish it like you would a.it metal blade bait.

In this last scenario you let it fall either to bottom or just at or above the level of suspended fish. Then you lift your rod until you feel the vibration of the lure. Then kill it and let it fall back. How high and how hard you lift the bait is dictated primarily by water temp. Warm water = a more viscous of a a pull and higher up. Cold water = more gentle lifts and drops.

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[caddyjoe77]

braid all the way.  I highly doubt with all the noise they make that the fish would say "oh my i see some dark green stuff attached i better not bite it"

[Pipepro]

Im braid all the way. 30-50# depending on what rod I feel like using. Almost always ripping them through the grass.

[merc1997]

i use braid all the time on lipless.  here on table rock, the lipless is over looked by most as being a great fishing tool early spring, and in the early part of the fall.

as far as line size, that depends on where and how fast you want to keep your lipless in the water column.  if you want to stay higher in the water column and with less speed, a heavier line is required.  deeper with more speed, then a thinner line is required to do the job. 

there is not really a do-all line size.  your line diameter needs to fit your fishing situation.  i use 20 lb. braid a lot here on table rock because many of the bites on the flats will be 6 to 15 ft. deep.  so, to keep a 1/2 lipless at depth and dig the bottom some, i thinner line is required.

line diameter plays a big factor in your approach to using any fishing tools.

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[merc1997]

braid all the way.  I highly doubt with all the noise they make that the fish would say "oh my i see some dark green stuff attached i better not bite it"

what about hi-viz yellow? .

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[Deadeye]

Good answers already.

I use anything from Mono to Flouro to Braid depending on what rod I'm using and where.


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[SteveTX]

braid all the way.  I highly doubt with all the noise they make that the fish would say "oh my i see some dark green stuff attached i better not bite it"

Yeah with all 6 of those razor sharp hooks staring at them I'm sure that line scares the s__t out of them. 

[Pipepro]

Yeah with all 6 of those razor sharp hooks staring at them I'm sure that line scares the s__t out of them. 

No doubt. People catching bass on this thing and then wondering if fish are line shy?

[loomisguy]

I think they are, or can be . I personally would never fish braid on a bait they are getting a good look at.
A reaction deal like a A rig or crankbait I can kinda see it, but it's a mental hurdle I can't get past.

[merc1997]

I think they are, or can be . I personally would never fish braid on a bait they are getting a good look at.
A reaction deal like a A rig or crankbait I can kinda see it, but it's a mental hurdle I can't get past.

there are several videos where they have mounted a camera to the a-rig.  it is eye opening at how long and far a bass will swim along with an a-rig looking it over and then finally commit to strike.  a reaction bite as all bites on any lure are.  dead still is a speed and there are just times that is what it takes to make a bass strike your offering.  a bass can see your hooks or hooks better than they see your line.  so, if they can reason there is an issue with the line,  the hook is what is actually doing the damage to them, they why would they not reason to not bite anything with a hook??

i just like using a hi-vis line for a couple of reasons.  first it makes it much easier to track your line on a cast.  this helps to keep me out of trees and to land where i want the cast to land.  the most important one to me is that i see many strikes or bites, that are simply never felt.  that gives me the opportunity to set the hook instantly before the bass can spit it back out.

crappie actually have better vision than a bass, but i see many of the crappie tourney folks use hi-viz line to detect bites.  one would not put fishing a crappie jig just hanging down as a "reaction bite".  but it actually is.  as far as line material,fish the one that you think will do the best job for you.  however, being to see your line is a big aid.  i watch ol' bill dance once in a while, and he still uses clear blue stren, and the other day, he was crappie fishing and was using hi-viz yellow line.

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[loomisguy]

I don't know.. Until we can interview a bass I suppose it's all open to debate.  I will say, I'm no good but I get a chance to fish with guys who guide on Table Rock and a guy who's won a open here and the subject comes up from time to time and none of them use braid other than for bigger topwaters and the braid to leader deal on a spinning rod.

[Deadeye]

I will agree that the Clearer the Water the more important line color or lack thereof becomes.

Super clear and I'm using clear  Flouro or Mono. 

I'll back that up by saying last year I started experimenting with Jigs using 20 lb Flouro vs 65 lb Green PP.

In SOME Waters I was getting more and harder bites with the Flouro. It made a believer out of me.

Since then I keep one rod rigged with a Jig on Flouro for in cleaner or clearer water and also use others rigged Braid in darker water.


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[merc1997]

I don't know.. Until we can interview a bass I suppose it's all open to debate.  I will say, I'm no good but I get a chance to fish with guys who guide on Table Rock and a guy who's won a open here and the subject comes up from time to time and none of them use braid other than for bigger topwaters and the braid to leader deal on a spinning rod.

i hear you dale.  it is one of those things that many have it their head, and no amount of reason will change that.

in reference to those that you have fished with, i will say this, i have had endless different folks go fishing with me over the years that have used "invisible line"  and claimed that by days end, they would prove that "invisible line" would catch more fish.  in all these years, i am still waiting for one to prove it.  it like having confidence you can hit a curve ball.  if you don't have that confidence you will never hit it.

i have fished with the invisible lines to see for myself if i had a big increase in catch rate.  never did find any difference other than missed bites that i could not see and by the time i felt them, it was too late.

i grew up using dacron braid to begin with.  i caught lots of fish on it, so, i guess that i just never did get it in my head that fish could reason, which the can't.  they only react.

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