[Bassmaster Opens] B.A.S.S. Bans Tunnel Hulls in Opens

[Wizard]

Cojab, in the times I fished there weren't many rules. Heck, you could stop by the bait shop on the way to the ramp and ask questions. Just accept that they were going to lie to you anyway.
I hope I'm not mixing BASS with FLW rules here. You can't ask questions about the lake from 2 weeks before the tournament. You can't pre fish the month before the tournament. You can pre fish before that time but the pattern is seldom the same. You can only pre fish on days set by the tour. Winners and placements are asked these types of questions on a polygraph test before checks are cut. If an angler thinks you're violating the rules, the decision comes from the tournament director. The system isn't perfect but it works.
Steve, if you believe you're right and have changes to make to the rules, you need to write to BASS or FLW. I just retain bitching rights and can't change a thing.

Wizard

[SteveTX]

Steve, if you believe you're right and have changes to make to the rules, you need to write to BASS or FLW. I just retain bitching rights and can't change a thing.

Wizard

Been down that road with local motor sports. Many of us have and they fall on deaf ears. Those with the gold make the rules. Doesn't make them right or wrong but they are the rules non the less.

Back on topic I still think the new boat rules suck. 

[cojab]

   
Surely they wouldn't dare make a rule there is no way on earth they could possibly fairly enforce. How in the heck would they do that?

Not real sure if your being sarcastic there but actually I'm pretty sure that rule or something like it is out there.
I could swear I read something about it last year. I want to say it was something as simple as one of the pros was having dinner or something with a friend of his who was a guide on the lake they were about to fish. The pro saw the baits on the deck of the friend and BASS determined that was getting info about the lake prior to the tournament. I think the pro was DQ'd or faced some kind of penalty.

Can anyone confirm?

[Wizard]

FLW has rule about getting advice from 2 weeks before the event. I fish with local who fishes the
top FLW events. When the stop was at LOZ, he said we couldn't talk until after the event. I'll be honest about local knowledge. If you follow it, you're nuts. You're better off finding fish yourself.

Wizard

[cojab]

Thanks for the follow up Wiz.

Back on topic I still think the new boat rules suck. 

Got to kind of agree with you there.

[SteveTX]

as simple as one of the pros was having dinner or something with a friend of his who was a guide on the lake they were about to fish. The pro saw the baits on the deck of the friend and BASS determined that was getting info about the lake prior to the tournament. I think the pro was DQ'd or faced some kind of penalty.

I was being a little sarcastic. I mean seriously who makes a rule you cannot enforce completely and fairly besides the government? Yeah sure you may catch one here or there like the dope you described.

Hypothetically how many conversations could they have had on the phone? How many others could have been having conversations with locals be it a family member or friend etc. Heck I go in tackle shops and people talk in there so I guess you cant visit a tackle shop? Might over hear some info. With all the technology today they could have shared way points and never been in the same state. To me this guy that was caught I guess apparently didn't know the rule or was really slow up stairs. I mean who puts the baits on the deck in obviously a public place unless trying to commit BASS suicide?

My point is there is really no way to equally enforce a rule like that. Its as bad as gun laws. Make all the 10 round magazine limit laws you want. The law is stupid and doesn't work. Unless someone starts searching every home in that state and even then would never get them all. And to top it off the criminals don't give a ____ about laws. And these are the only people the laws were created for. Upstanding law abiding citizens aren't shooting up people. There is no way unless you put a person with the angler 24/7 and even then it wouldn't be 100% that he didn't get help if he really wanted to get some.   

So yeah its a dumb rule imho. It cant be enforced equally no matter what they try. Only the honest guy has anything to lose. He is questioned like a cheater because of potential cheaters and possibly could be labeled a cheat if some polygraph test gets messed up results. The cheater doesn't care he is a cheat and probably practices to pass if he is serious and not as stupid as the guy mentioned .

I get the polygraph test is their way of determining if you deserve your place. But I think that is kind of a bad idea. I mean polygraph tests are not reliable. Do a little Googling and its amazing whats out there about them. 

[Oldfart9999]

 
Just exactly what needed fixing in my post? All I did was state simple facts!! Period!! I stated no opinion so my post didn't need to be "Fixed" by opinions that are not facts!!
Rodney

Easy there Oldfart9999! I technically didn't change your post I am no admin here. I didn't change your "fact" I just made it more inclusive and it is still a fact. It is not opinion Mark Mendez was not the only angler that could get in there. Every angler could have got in just like him they just weren't either by lack of knowledge or because they didn't want to. I didn't say what you said was incorrect at all, as a matter a fact I agree with ya. Didn't mean to upset ya my apologies.
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The way I posted the post was correct, Menendez found the area in practice and he knew about it because he lives near Kentucky/Barkley, he switched from a glass boat to his own tin. At the time he didn't violate the rules but they were changed after. One of the reasons being if you live in California to get your tin in time for the tx would be difficult to say the least, since all the players wouldn't be able to lay hands on a different boat the playing field is no longer level. If you have a breakdown BASS allows a boat change, they may even supply the boat but it's always an equivalent boat, not a boat made of a totally different material. By the by, Menendez moved the rocks out of the way in the culvert he was going through and he almost didn't get out of the backwater on the final day and could have missed weigh in.
The whole idea is to keep a level field for the anglers to compete against, not to see who can change his major equipment to gain an advantage. If KVD hops on lake xyz and finds a hump you don't and catches a winning limit, that's fishing but if he is told about it and it's a hump that doesn't show up on any charts that's a little unfair.
The goods news; most all the pros understand it's pro against pro and if they think they may have violated they turn themselves in, sometimes they did violate sometimes they don't but they have the integrity to make the call and put themselves in jeopardy, the cheats eventually get caught because it's the only way they can do well and the will make a mistake.
What Roland Martin did on the Connecticut River was way over the spirit of the sport and why he lost a lot of his "shine".
Rodney

[Wizard]

Doggone it, Rodney! You had to be right about the river Roland did the dirty on. I've spent all morning trying to find the name of that tourney. I still haven't found it, blast you.

Wizard

[gatorglenn]

Curious, what was it that Roland did


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[coldfront]

FLW has rule about getting advice from 2 weeks before the event. I fish with local who fishes the
top FLW events. When the stop was at LOZ, he said we couldn't talk until after the event. I'll be honest about local knowledge. If you follow it, you're nuts. You're better off finding fish yourself.

Wizard

wizard,
I am so bad at catching other folks fish that I've stopped even trying. 
Seem to have enough trouble with the one's I CAN find...