Hi everyone

HOLESHOTPROPELLER · November 27, 2015, 11:30:01 PM

Looks kinda slow on this forum if you guy's have any prop questions let me know I own a prop shop in Louisiana called Holeshot propeller repair...thanks...Brian

Pferox · November 28, 2015, 11:05:17 AM

Hello Brian, welcome to the site.

Kind of funny though, since I don't even have a boat, but am interested in learning more about props anyhow.

Polaris425 · November 28, 2015, 12:53:35 PM

Welcome. This forum is anything but slow. It a just a Holliday & everyone busy.

Princeton_Man · November 28, 2015, 02:01:30 PM

Quote from: HOLESHOTPROPELLER on November 27, 2015, 11:30:01 PM
Looks kinda slow on this forum if you guy's have any prop questions let me know I own a prop shop in Louisiana called Holeshot propeller repair...thanks...Brian

Hey Brian,

Welcome again! I can give you lots to think about. I have a Stratos 285 Pro XL. Typically, she's always loaded. Full lockers and tanks. I had a Evinrude Intruder 150 propped with a Renegade 23P w/ weed/blowout ring. Super hole shot and from a standstill on plain in 3.5 seconds. Top end WOT 64mph gps 5800-5900 RPM. Also have a Renegade with some added cup on the leading edg and tip. Probably about a 24P now that did awesome in Winter water. I melted the weed ring using it on the new motor.

The Intruder broke a wrist pin and I replaced it with a brand new ETEC 150. Initial set up was the same including the 5" jackplate. Performance was lousy. I began raising the motor in .25" increments and found performance close to the old motor at 3" below pad and that was as high as I could go. Hole shot was pretty good but not like with the old Intruder. WOT was 56 at 5200 RPM.

I'm currently propped with a Raker 24, 3 inches below pad, 59-60mph at 5500 rpm.

What are your thoughts?

HOLESHOTPROPELLER · November 28, 2015, 04:18:19 PM

Good deal glad to hear the props forum gets alot of posts , i think those old intruders and faststrikes actually put out a good bit more horespower than they were rated for how many hours do you have on the new engine man ?

Princeton_Man · November 28, 2015, 05:55:27 PM

35 hours maybe.

HOLESHOTPROPELLER · November 28, 2015, 07:07:30 PM

friend of mine from Virginia has that same boat with a 175 intruder and i worked some 26 rakers and 25 gades for him , he seems to think what i was thinking that your old intruder may have been one of the HOT hp engines and the etec is also heavier with a l/u that may have more drag also thats why it increased speed and rpm's when you raised it higher...

J Risco · November 28, 2015, 08:01:00 PM

Hi everyone, Im the friend Brian is talking about. He is the real deal when it comes to prop work!!! Like I offer people on other sites, if you are working with Brian and are close to Kerr lake you are welcome to come try any of my props he has worked. I have (2) 25p gades worked slightly different from each other, a 24p Raker, 26p Raker, 25p and 26p TRO4's, a 23p renegade and an original A45 25p Tempest.

Wish I could be of some help with the Etec but I have no experience with those at all unfortunately. Too bad you are 4 hours from me cause I'd like to see if one of Brians props that I have help at all, if anything it could give us some clues as to what that motor/lower unit want to make it perform.

Princeton_Man · November 28, 2015, 08:52:20 PM

Welcome aboard J and thanks. I do hope to fish Kerr some. I have two gades (23 & 24) in addition to the Raker 24. I got the Raker in a trade that I haven't completed yet. The deal is trade for a 22. So I'm still searchin' for 22 Raker.

I know an identical 285 Pro XL with the same ETEC and 23 gade who's performing perfectly. He said it's jacked as high as possible but don't know exactly what his propshaft to pad height is.

I put the Raker on, made a run and decided to make the deal. Just dropped it 1/2 inch today but haven't been back on the water to test yet.

J Risco · November 28, 2015, 09:24:13 PM

Quote from: Princeton_Man on November 28, 2015, 08:52:20 PM
Welcome aboard J and thanks. I do hope to fish Kerr some. I have two gades (23 & 24) in addition to the Raker 24. I got the Raker in a trade that I haven't completed yet. The deal is trade for a 22. So I'm still searchin' for 22 Raker.

I know an identical 285 Pro XL with the same ETEC and 23 gade who's performing perfectly. He said it's jacked as high as possible but don't know exactly what his propshaft to pad height is.

I put the Raker on, made a run and decided to make the deal. Just dropped it 1/2 inch today but haven't been back on the water to test yet.

Def try to get him to get an accurate prop to pad measurement! You should be able to turn that 24 Raker and they are the best prop for outright top end. I run the Gade a lot, its a couple mph slower but carries a load better in the midrange. These hulls are fast but they have to be flying high to get that speed, it might take some setup and prop tweaking to get that motor/lower unit working with your hull, but once you get her high on the pad the speed should be there!

Princeton_Man · November 28, 2015, 09:31:52 PM

Quote from: J Risco on November 28, 2015, 09:24:13 PM
Def try to get him to get an accurate prop to pad measurement! You should be able to turn that 24 Raker and they are the best prop for outright top end. I run the Gade a lot, its a couple mph slower but carries a load better in the midrange. These hulls are fast but they have to be flying high to get that speed, it might take some setup and prop tweaking to get that motor/lower unit working with your hull, but once you get her high on the pad the speed should be there!

I love my gades! They hold like glue. New ETEC exhaust like most direct injection motors is much hotter. Melts the plastic weed rings. Without the ring you get too much slippage and will blow out with high propshaft position.

J Risco · November 28, 2015, 09:40:08 PM

Quote from: Princeton_Man on November 28, 2015, 09:31:52 PM
I love my gades! They hold like glue. New ETEC exhaust like most direct injection motors is much hotter. Melts the plastic weed rings. Without the ring you get too much slippage and will blow out with high propshaft position.

Talk to Brian, he has a couple things he did with my Gades so they hook up better, I dont need a weed ring

I actually only run one at Okeechobee, G-ville, Chick, etc cause I actually have a slower holeshot with it cause of it hooking up so well. I can run my PtoP at 2.75" and not have any blowout at all without the ring

Princeton_Man · November 28, 2015, 10:02:39 PM

Wow! Of course that's with the Fastrike. I never tried it with the Intruder, heck the PtoP on the Intruder was something like 5". With the 23P gade she'd pop out the hole and be on plane in 3.5 seconds. Trimmed all the way up and WOT there wasn't much in the water except the lower unit.

I have a feeling once I play with it a little more and get a better list of what will and wont do, I may be seeking Brian's skills.

J Risco · November 28, 2015, 10:25:58 PM

Fast Strike and Intruder are the same engine. I had to silicone my upper intake holes to run that high, ill post pics tomorrow. Hopefully someone with etec setup experience can give you some tips

HOLESHOTPROPELLER · November 28, 2015, 10:41:34 PM

Princeton are your gades stock , never been worked on ?

Princeton_Man · November 29, 2015, 05:41:23 AM

Quote from: HOLESHOTPROPELLER on November 28, 2015, 10:41:34 PM
Princeton are your gades stock , never been worked on ?

No, the 24 was actually a 23 that I dinged on a ramp. When I had it repaired I had them add some cup making it closer to a 24. The 23 was a used prop I bought from a member on here and was out of LA waters so it was a little rough. I had it cleaned up but no modifications.

KB57 · November 29, 2015, 03:46:20 PM

Brian, live just south of BR, talked to you before. Turrible w/o BBC, right? Have a 2000 TR 21 2002 225 opti. Running a worked 26 tempest, 72-74 depending on load. Got a 250 pro xb fixing to put on it. Gonna run it with my tempest first, Simon's outboards in St. Amant has it, got good compression, etc. If it runs like it should, I'll def need to reprop. Be talking to you soon!

HOLESHOTPROPELLER · November 29, 2015, 07:56:57 PM

Princeton we put some good cup in John's renegades and worked on the edges and it made a big difference on his stratos...kb57 that boat should fly with an xb on it and you are definently going to need a bigger prop probably a 27 tempest for sure man

Princeton_Man · November 30, 2015, 07:49:28 AM

Quote from: HOLESHOTPROPELLER on November 29, 2015, 07:56:57 PM
Princeton we put some good cup in John's renegades and worked on the edges and it made a big difference on his stratos...kb57 that boat should fly with an xb on it and you are definently going to need a bigger prop probably a 27 tempest for sure man

I haven't run my tweaked gade without the ring since I melted one with it. With it's added cup it should be equal to a 24P. I'm going to give that a try again too. Once I raised it with the 23P gade PtoP 3" it performed pretty good with the weed/blowout ring but without the ring it blew out pretty easily. I may be wrong but, I think the ETEC breaths a lot more than the carburated motors.

I can't imagine my 150 turning a 27P and having any kind of hole shot. Although you without a doubt can do some magic to make it work.

I'll report back once I've spun the 24 gade without the ring and the 24 Raker at the slightly lower setting.

HOLESHOTPROPELLER · November 30, 2015, 08:37:25 PM

Yes let me know what happens after you run them again man

Lee Smith · December 01, 2015, 05:43:54 AM

Quote from: Princeton_Man on November 30, 2015, 07:49:28 AM
I haven't run my tweaked gade without the ring since I melted one with it. With it's added cup it should be equal to a 24P. I'm going to give that a try again too. Once I raised it with the 23P gade PtoP 3" it performed pretty good with the weed/blowout ring but without the ring it blew out pretty easily. I may be wrong but, I think the ETEC breaths a lot more than the carburated motors.

I can't imagine my 150 turning a 27P and having any kind of hole shot. Although you without a doubt can do some magic to make it work.

I'll report back once I've spun the 24 gade without the ring and the 24 Raker at the slightly lower setting.

A good friend of mine runs a 25P on a 150, 18' Triton, that thing will fly

J Risco · December 01, 2015, 11:00:07 AM

You can make the 25p Gades run with a 150, just takes a bit of work to get/keep the rpms up while adding grip and lift.

J Risco · December 01, 2015, 11:06:15 AM

BTW here are the pics of my siliconed upper intakes. Lets you run the engine .25" or so higher without them sucking air and lowering water psi. If you do this mod be careful not to push the silicone in past the grate, potentially blocking water passageway.

Princeton_Man · December 01, 2015, 12:59:40 PM

Quote from: J Risco on December 01, 2015, 11:06:15 AM
BTW here are the pics of my siliconed upper intakes. Lets you run the engine .25" or so higher without them sucking air and lowering water psi. If you do this mod be careful not to push the silicone in past the grate, potentially blocking water passageway.

Very clever!

Ditchdigger · December 29, 2015, 05:16:56 PM

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