Can't get mind around Fluoro

LgMouthGambler · December 18, 2015, 09:13:28 AM

I have had pretty good luck with mono lines. Especially Stren & Sufix Siege. As a matter of fact I have 2 spools of 17# Siege still, and am gonna spool up a reel with it. Might as well use it instead of the fluoro that I was thinking about. Figuring I have great casting ability with the Sufix and its pretty strong with not much stretch, Im gonna use some.

Bud Kennedy · December 18, 2015, 10:31:16 AM

The responses to this post have been very informative. Looks like there is quite a wide range of inputs ranging from all floro to staying with mono. I guess it is all a matter of what fits your fishing style best. I think it is fair to draw a conclusion that the advantages of one over the other is not all that significant. Just a matter of the personal fit that will drive each angler's decision. Since I mostly fish dark water, I will stay with mono or braid and not plan on implementing a leader unless I am in very clear water. Like many have stated I just don't like the idea of adding another knot into the active element of the main line. My thanks to all who have responded.

Bradleto · December 18, 2015, 11:59:17 AM

Bo/All,

TackleTour gives an average value of 10.5% stretch to fluorocarbon lines, so they are hardly no stretch lines . . . like most braids.

But, the study went on to mention that fluorocarbon lines never fully recover (retract back to original lengths after a max stretch), that they stay elongated by about half of that 10.5%. This seems to suggest that once the line has been stretched that it then is less stretchy than most monofilaments.

Just a guess on my part that when you are using new fluoro line that it is behaving differently early on, say on a first fish or two, while the stuff is still being elongated by hook sets. Later when the stretch is half gone, if you rip up on one of your big hook sets, it might be more apt to snap the line.

No big deal, at all, if one is using straight fluoro, or a fluoro leader, on a finesse drop shot rig; but, it could be a big deal if you use a very aggressive hook set to embed a NuJig deep in the roof of a bass's mouth.

Well, on the invisibility issue, fluoro IS more invisible . . . at least to my human eyes. But, I agree that some of the more or less clear monofilaments or green shades in some waters, aren't at much of a disadvantage.

Brad

rockchalk06 · December 18, 2015, 07:32:17 PM

Quote from: Scott F on December 17, 2015, 06:46:06 PM
The myth of low stretch fluoro just will not die. Fluoro stretches just as much as mono does. Some stretch a little bit less, (but not much) and some stretch a little more. Just like the other myth that the line is invisible under water. It isn't any less visible than mono.

False. I'll argue the point till the end. Sunline Assassin and Shooter have much much less stretch than most mono that I have used. It has stretch, but it's not the difference between say braid and mono. Call it a myth, but my results don't lie. Now for instance Seaguar Invisx is just as stretchy as mono. No real difference can be felt. Not all Fluoro lines match your or my findings

As for the visibility, I have no opinion on it. It's not a factor and I can't see under water to be sure around here.

Mike Bush · December 19, 2015, 08:56:12 AM

Of course FC has stretch. Not nearly as much as most monos though. They are all a little different...both mono and FC.

Braid...is just braid. Its a fiber....like a rope.

LgMouthGambler · December 19, 2015, 09:12:08 AM

Quote from: Mike Bush on December 19, 2015, 08:56:12 AM

Braid...is just braid. Its a fiber....like a rope.

Not all braids are the same.

coldfront · December 19, 2015, 12:00:47 PM

Quote from: jakob1010 on December 17, 2015, 07:24:46 PM
Truth. Fluorocarbon and Nylon Lines usually have similar stretch. Actually, most Fluorocarbons have even more stretch. Only really high quality lines often have lower stretch. But the same can be said of a high quality monofilament.

find the following *using Trilene 100% flouro*

love the 8 - 10 - 12 lb test flouro ...cranking, suspending jerkbaits line memory is at it's lowest for strength ... and with the more forgiving rods, have not had issues with breakage... (as long as I retie responsibly)

step up to 14 - 17 for flipping/pitching applications. little more line memory, but manageable for the shorter distances, typically heaver weights.

use all three line types: mono, flouro and braid for specific applications

Oh, and I like the 'green' flouro over the clear for cranking.

Mike Bush · December 19, 2015, 02:27:17 PM

Quote from: LgMouthGambler on December 19, 2015, 09:12:08 AM
Not all braids are the same.

Well no...but braid in general is nothing like mono or FC

LgMouthGambler · December 19, 2015, 02:33:47 PM

Quote from: Mike Bush on December 19, 2015, 02:27:17 PM
Well no...but braid in general is nothing like mono or FC

True. Pretty much "no stretch" will all. Just stiffness and such is based on the strand type and weave.

Rangerman · December 20, 2015, 09:40:47 AM

First Off I hate Flurocarbon

but I use a lot of it. I does make a great different in catch ratio in clear water like here on Lake Norman.

It makes one hell of a different when fishing for small mouth the the Yankie clear water and Tenn lakes. The fluro in improve the catch for up to 50% and help cut down on short strikes

Yes I hate it and fish's like wire in the cold, cuts and nicks worse than mono. But I use it. What helps is the night before spray all reels with the KVD "Snake Oil". The Segar Invis. stuff seems to be the best around I have used. On jigs for skipping tie the line to a nail and walk off about 25 yards and pull tight to pull kinks. Make sure reel is about only 1/2 full for skipping and use lots of KVD Snake Oil Line Stuff. Hope this helps. Yes and I still hate fluro

Use Mono for topwater and when I don't give a ding dong about catching fish

which is never.

Sunline is softer and throws a little better but will splinter more and knicks more. Just fish muddy water and you won't need it

Man I love muddy water with a spinner bait on good ole Mono

Now if you want a deal deal on Fluro Tackle Warehouse has 50% off on it now. Just purchased a 3000 yard 10 and 12 lb Segar for less than $50.00 per 1000 which sells for $96-$70 dollars most places. Braid is great stuff and use it in some apps with a fluro leader but wind the is up it sucks due to bow. Braid is for Blades of Glory and the Whoop Flopper

Capt. BassinLou · December 20, 2015, 01:18:23 PM

Based on this thread and the other Fluro thread that LMG posted, I decided to spool up one of my outfits on Fri with a spool of fluro that I never got around to using. I will preface this by saying that I have not used fluro in years. The line I used was Trilene's Professional Grade Fluro, in 20lb test. The reel I used to spool this line on was a Curado I.

As I spooled this line on the reel, the line wanted to coil up on me very quickly. So every few turns I bathed the line in KVD line conditioner. The conditioner helped subdue the coils a bit. I went fishing on Saturday and before my outing I sprayed the line down with conditioner again.

The application I used this reel for yesterday was to fish big worms with heavier than normal weight that I am used to throwing. This line is very thick, and my fear was that it was going to uncoil as I went to cast for the first time. Indeed, on the first cast, some coils were thrown, however I remembered that the Curado I has a dial to control the spool a bit. I adjusted the dial to 4, feathered the spool lightly with my thumb and the coil issue resolved it self.

I was only given one opportunity to set the hook with this outfit, which resulted with a missed fish, however I did note that this line is pretty springy. This could be because I have been fishing braid for several years now, and I am used to the instant thump due to braids 0 shock absorption.

I will continue throwing this setup for a while longer and see if its something I like. If it isn't I will strip it and continue with braid. I will say that KVD conditioner is must for handling this type of line.

Oldfart9999 · December 20, 2015, 04:30:23 PM

Flouro's biggest advantage is it sinks, it will allow a deep crank to go a touch deeper and the underwater bow is less severe so there is a bit more sensitivity. I think it's more abrasion resistant than mono and like it around docks. Unlike mono when it stretches it doesn't rebound as much so will weaken sooner. I use Vanish for everything except deep cranks, I use BPS XPS then, I do use a lot of braid with flouro leaders, specially for spinning as braid is more manageable for me. As far as care in tying knots, if you aren't careful in tying with flouro or mono the line will cut itself and with braid will slip.
Rodney

Mike Bush · December 21, 2015, 04:29:21 PM

Quote from: Bassinlou on December 20, 2015, 01:18:23 PM
Based on this thread and the other Fluro thread that LMG posted, I decided to spool up one of my outfits on Fri with a spool of fluro that I never got around to using. I will preface this by saying that I have not used fluro in years. The line I used was Trilene's Professional Grade Fluro, in 20lb test. The reel I used to spool this line on was a Curado I.

As I spooled this line on the reel, the line wanted to coil up on me very quickly. So every few turns I bathed the line in KVD line conditioner. The conditioner helped subdue the coils a bit. I went fishing on Saturday and before my outing I sprayed the line down with conditioner again.

The application I used this reel for yesterday was to fish big worms with heavier than normal weight that I am used to throwing. This line is very thick, and my fear was that it was going to uncoil as I went to cast for the first time. Indeed, on the first cast, some coils were thrown, however I remembered that the Curado I has a dial to control the spool a bit. I adjusted the dial to 4, feathered the spool lightly with my thumb and the coil issue resolved it self.

I was only given one opportunity to set the hook with this outfit, which resulted with a missed fish, however I did note that this line is pretty springy. This could be because I have been fishing braid for several years now, and I am used to the instant thump due to braids 0 shock absorption.

I will continue throwing this setup for a while longer and see if its something I like. If it isn't I will strip it and continue with braid. I will say that KVD conditioner is must for handling this type of line.

How old is that line you spooled on? How much did you put on for flipping?

If its 2 years old...or older...you will have some problems with it.

Stretch it out a little bit. Put the hook on a boat cleat and walk it out and give it a little tug. Spray it as you walk back in.

Capt. BassinLou · December 21, 2015, 04:30:26 PM

Quote from: Mike Bush on December 21, 2015, 04:29:21 PM
How old is that line you spooled on? How much did you put on for flipping?

If its 2 years old...or older...you will have some problems with it.

Stretch it out a little bit. Put the hook on a boat cleat and walk it out and give it a little tug. Spray it as you walk back in.

I will try that, thanks.