Maybe a Curado 50G?

LgMouthGambler · November 13, 2012, 12:50:27 PM

Anyone think Shimano will produce one? I want a G, but dont like the 200 size compared to the previous 200E. If they made the 50G, it might be better in size for me anyway. I know the Chronarch 50E is available, but what about the new G platform?

hootiebenji · November 13, 2012, 03:17:52 PM

Quote from: LgMouthGambler on November 13, 2012, 12:50:27 PM
Anyone think Shimano will produce one? I want a G, but dont like the 200 size compared to the previous 200E. If they made the 50G, it might be better in size for me anyway. I know the Chronarch 50E is available, but what about the new G platform?

Make em do it LMG. I know you got some pull with Shimano....lol
Hey, I would buy one.

Hootie

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Mike Cork · November 13, 2012, 04:08:06 PM

I think it would be very popular

LgMouthGambler · November 13, 2012, 05:36:47 PM

Quote from: hootiebenji on November 13, 2012, 03:17:52 PM
Make em do it LMG. I know you got some pull with Shimano....lol
Hey, I would buy one.

Hootie

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I wish it was that easy buddy. Nice to see you're here too.

lgetc · November 15, 2012, 06:22:43 PM

They do or they did I have 2 50's got them about 3 years ago but in the last couple years I went to the Core 50 also have so
some chronarch 50mg's

Pro Reel · November 15, 2012, 08:06:55 PM

You never know, but i doubt it. The reason is that the 50E didn't even come close to sales expectations. Thats from the horses mouth at Shimano.

LgMouthGambler · November 16, 2012, 05:12:57 AM

They sure are pretty popular now, lol.

JPD0144 · November 30, 2012, 04:08:10 PM

Quote from: Pro Reel on November 15, 2012, 08:06:55 PM
You never know, but i doubt it. The reason is that the 50E didn't even come close to sales expectations. Thats from the horses mouth at Shimano.

Have to disagree with ya pro ...

When the Shimano line up was restructured to cut cost and moved production of Curado and below to Malaysia dont you think they would of scrapped the 50E from Japan production while trimming fat if this was the thought process ? Its still being made in Japan and is pupular as ever just under the grey and white color scheme and says Chronarch 50E. Even the price didnt change

Quote from: LgMouthGambler on November 16, 2012, 05:12:57 AM
They sure are pretty popular now, lol.

Auction sites prove the dollar value of both the Curado 50E and Chronarch 50E are in high demand still.

When the G series was released it was all about Shimano cutting cost by moving production origin (Japan's currency exchange rate is crazy right now !) yet offering a wider range of gearing in both right and left hand models. The G's modular platform between models gave them a way to make all these offerings at a lower cost. A 50G would of called for a new tooling of yet another model and in turn cost more money which was defeating their goal for this year... Cutting production cost yet more offerings to be competitive.

I think if we ever see a Curado G produced in a 50 size im sure it will be produced in Malaysia.
NO thanks ...
If your wallet allows try to stay with Japan made models or source used ones made in Japan to save you cash. Have them serviced and go fishing !!!

Pro Reel · November 30, 2012, 06:58:13 PM

Quote from: JPD0144 on November 30, 2012, 04:08:10 PM
Have to disagree with ya pro ...

When the Shimano line up was restructured to cut cost and moved production of Curado and below to Malaysia dont you think they would of scrapped the 50E from Japan production while trimming fat if this was the thought process ? Its still being made in Japan and is pupular as ever just under the grey and white color scheme and says Chronarch 50E. Even the price didnt change

Auction sites prove the dollar value of both the Curado 50E and Chronarch 50E are in high demand still.

When the G series was released it was all about Shimano cutting cost by moving production origin (Japan's currency exchange rate is crazy right now !) yet offering a wider range of gearing in both right and left hand models. The G's modular platform between models gave them a way to make all these offerings at a lower cost. A 50G would of called for a new tooling of yet another model and in turn cost more money which was defeating their goal for this year... Cutting production cost yet more offerings to be competitive.

I think if we ever see a Curado G produced in a 50 size im sure it will be produced in Malaysia.
NO thanks ...
If your wallet allows try to stay with Japan made models or source used ones made in Japan to save you cash. Have them serviced and go fishing !!!

Well, I might agree with you if my contact at Shimano hadn't told me more details about it. They kept building the 50E under the name of Chronarch with the expectaion of increased sales with an affordable Chronarch 50E. I still say you will not see a Curado 50 G because the Curado 50 E didn't meet expectations. So why would they even think about setting up a tooling to build a 50 size version of the G when it would pull some sales away from the 50 Chronarch that they were hoping for better sales from.
Now, all of that might not make a lot of sense to those of us that completly understand what was done with the name change, but they had a good reason for the name change, it will drastically boost sales of that platform because the majority of people will now put a greater value on the reel because it's a Chronarch now.

JPD0144 · November 30, 2012, 09:12:52 PM

Quote from: Pro Reel on November 30, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
They kept building the 50E under the name of Chronarch with the expectaion of increased sales with an affordable Chronarch 50E. I still say you will not see a Curado 50 G because the Curado 50 E didn't meet expectations. So why would they even think about setting up a tooling to build a 50 size version of the G when it would pull some sales away from the 50 Chronarch that they were hoping for better sales from.

I think you and I are seeing the same thing just looking at it from two diff sides of the table ...

I do agree with you though which ever the reason ...I dont think we will see a expansion of the "G" line with its modulatity it has as a cost savings as is.

Quote from: Pro Reel on November 30, 2012, 06:58:13 PM
... the majority of people will now put a greater value on the reel because it's a Chronarch now.

Well pro I guess if someones is fooled by marketing bait and switch that might would work...

Most of the guys out there I feel know better that the rebadging of Curado E as Chronarch E is esentaly the same reel (except hardness of brass gearing composition, star drag material, line guide finish, handle shank design, drag material, and paint scheme).

Quote from: Pro Reel on November 15, 2012, 08:06:55 PM
... i doubt it. The reason is that the 50E didn't even come close to sales expectations.

This still puzzles me ... I know your saying it came from a "source" at Shimano however ive been rubbing elbows with some of those guys as well since 2003 and ya have to take a lot of what you hear from them with a grain of salt. They all salesmen looking out for company assets to maximize profit and spread the word in a positive mannor even when they "water down" a couple models in their lineup and shift gears and say its for the best. Heck 3/4 of the "Shimano" Reps that walk into local retail stores wearing Shimano shirts and a briefcase barely know the product. They just 2nd party salesmen from large distributors. Only one guy over at the 2012 Bassmasters Classic in Shreveport was actually from Shimano and he was their top tech guy. All the other guys up front in the nice display booth are distributors and have to work the shows. Not saying your info was in accurate just makes me wonder.

Either way I was let down somewhat with Shimano 2012. Ill remeber it as the year of cut cost, cut cost, and cut cost some more for them. I just wish we would see a better exchange rate to keep more quality in mid to top teir reels heading this way. I seen what Malaysia had to offer in the CU/CI D platform. Lately ive been sourcing more and more JDM Shimano's and the cost can get frustrating ...

I buy, sell, and repair a lot of Shimanos so im constantly watching past and current year model value on auction sites and local sales. I just dont see how there was a lack of intrest in the 50E platform no mater if it comes in green or white and grey !

Pro Reel · December 01, 2012, 12:10:31 AM

I can't really say anymore than i have other than it's not salesman that i talked to. regardless, you can't base a reels sales on popularity of the hard core fishing croud. There is something like 10 million anglers buying products every year. less than 1 percent of them are active on sites like this. Of course the 50 sells well on ebay and so forth, it's a good reel, but if you watch the used sales on sites like this and others, you will see several selling for about $115 to $125. I know, I bought a few myself at those prices. I also would venture to say that a big chunk of the total sales of the 50 happened during the final few months that they were available and every major retailer was dumping them at cost or below cost. Most of the guys I know that have them bought them for around a $100 to $125 during the clearance sales. The fact is, they just didn't sell good at the MSRP of $199.00 They were priced higher than the full size Curado because they were built at a later date and the US to Yen values had already changed to the point that Shimano US had to sell them at $199 to be profitable. They just flat out didn't get the sales needed at that price, but they sold like hotcakes when the price fell 50 to 75 bucks. They are now selling a lot better after being re badged as a Chronarch. Go Figure?

duke13372 · December 01, 2012, 08:28:49 AM

It's like many of the rifles that I follow on auctions. They bring a good price perhaps because they have been discontinued by the manufacturers because of low sales. There are Rugers, Savages, and Winchesters that probably bring more than they did brand new. It would be curious what it would do to the used market if one of these was put back on the current production line. For instance look at the Ruger 6.8 mini 14. Didn't sell but try to buy one on line. Rare means expensive!

JPD0144 · December 01, 2012, 01:42:35 PM

Quote from: JPD0144 on November 30, 2012, 09:12:52 PM
I seen what Malaysia had to offer in the CU/CI D platform.

I wanted to correct myself before someone noticed CU/CI D platform and thought they were both Malaysian ....

In the D platform CU was Japan and CI was Malaysian (except 100 it was Japan)
This gave a good comparison of quality and craftsmanship depending on where the reel was made.

I already have gotten the lecture from Shimano of all the "New" technoligy used in Malaysia now to produce the "G" series ... Whole diff topic all together.

Quote from: Pro Reel on December 01, 2012, 12:10:31 AM
I can't really say anymore than i have other than it's not salesman that i talked to.

For some reason I sense your source with Shimano or Distributor has given you some detailed inside info but your being reserved on spilling all the beans... or should I say true thoughts on the whole direction Shimano took for 2012 and why we think there wont be a future 50G so I wont keep digging to get ya in the dog house with them in case they following this thread.

Cheers to ya pro !