Umbrella rig

[geneinnc]

Please do not start a flaming war on the rig itself because I'm not even going there.

Now. I grabbed one while they were on sale. I thought they might work on yellow perch during the summer lull. I decided to play with it a bit but only had medium power rods with me. WRONG. I was afraid I would snap a rod tip.
It has 5: 3.5" swim baits with it. I guess I need to try it on my heavy rod? I also think I need to drop the swim baits down to 2" for the yellow perch? I was thinking grub tails since they tend to like those.

Just something I'm playing with, nothing more. I was surprised at the action of the rig. I can see how they attack fish but not something I'm going to cast all day.

Open to suggestions.

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[zippyduck]

I wish I could help as I bought one also at the urging of a fellow UBer , Whose shall remain nameless unless you P_M me,  and have yet to even attract a fish to it. I have even tried it around a bunch of fish and nothing.

[bigjim5589]

I bought two smaller, lighter versions a couple of years ago, with the idea that they might be good for chasing Crappies or other panfish. My thought then was for trolling them, not so much for casting.

I was still living in MD then, and the law there restricts them to two hooks, so I rigged two small jig heads with grubs on each one, and the other connections I added small willow leaf spinner blades.

Only used one of those rigs, one time, and caught some fish with it. Slowly trolled behind my boat, in shallow water, it's a good way to target the panfish. I don't think I would want to cast it, even though I do have some gear that's heavy enough. Can't imagine casting the bigger, bass size rigs, but folks certainly do it.

[geneinnc]

I bought two smaller, lighter versions a couple of years ago, with the idea that they might be good for chasing Crappies or other panfish. My thought then was for trolling them, not so much for casting.

I was still living in MD then, and the law there restricts them to two hooks, so I rigged two small jig heads with grubs on each one, and the other connections I added small willow leaf spinner blades.

Only used one of those rigs, one time, and caught some fish with it. Slowly trolled behind my boat, in shallow water, it's a good way to target the panfish. I don't think I would want to cast it, even though I do have some gear that's heavy enough. Can't imagine casting the bigger, bass size rigs, but folks certainly do it.

Good idea! Troll it with one of my drift fishing heavy rigs.

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[SteveTX]

I think the concept is a valid one. I know folks catch fish with them. That said I tried it for awhile and man that thing is a lot of work to fish. Just wasn't something I wanted to continue fishing. Trollng may be a great idea with it though. Sure beats casting it. 

[bassmanstan]

I use them for stripers, troll a nine bait rig with bucktails. Never really tried for bass with them, just not a way I'd really enjoy catching them. I've run them on my heavy action baitcasters, but I have an old heavy action ugly stick spinning rod I usually run it on.


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[bigjim5589]

I have one 4 arm umbrella rig that I bought to troll for Stripers. It's a much heavier version than what are used for bass. I think the arms are 15" long. and there's about a 2 ounce weight to the lead portion. Umbrella rigs with 4 or more arms are a popular set up for the Chesapeake Bay, but as I mentioned, in MD waters they're still restricted to only two hooks, so most folks rig them with a combination of dummy baits, such as Sassy Shads, which do not have hooks and those that do, usually the one at the center and the rear most position.

Umbrellas are also used for offshore trolling, and again mostly with teasers that have no hooks, and one center lure that does and is on the back end.

[Bassinkorea]

I have a lot of success with A-rigs for bass in the winter and early spring months in deep water reserviors. Once the water hits around 50f I can't buy a bite on the rig.

[loomisguy]

It's a winter time suspended fish deal around here also. We can only have 3 hooks so the top 2 I either cut the hooks off the swimbait heads or use a hitchhiker.
The majority of the time it's the center arm that gets bit so I like a bigger swimbait , like a Keitech 3.8 on it and something smaller on the others. A grub works fine also.
A stout rod is a must and I like 25lb. test . Braid works also.

[Deadeye]

Like any Bait, it has it's time and place.

I like to use a Heavy Action, Fast Tip Rod (same as for Heavy Punching) rigged with 65 lb Braid. You need that strength if you get hooked into something and want your approx $25.00 back (Rig plus Jigs and Baits).

There are time when it has Shined for me and others when I couldn't buy a bite. During a Feeding Period like before/after the Spawn and Fall when fish are feeding heavy it is Good.

I have also had good luck during the Summer when the water is low and the fish are more concentrated into the deeper cuts. The Competition Factor seems to make them hit it harder.

Usually it os a One Fish at a time deal, but I have caught up to 3 at once.

Not something I want to throw all day but will if it is the Deal of the Day.

I can see where Trolling with it should work to. 

[geneinnc]

Like any Bait, it has it's time and place.

I like to use a Heavy Action, Fast Tip Rod (same as for Heavy Punching) rigged with 65 lb Braid. You need that strength if you get hooked into something and want your approx $25.00 back (Rig plus Jigs and Baits).

There are time when it has Shined for me and others when I couldn't buy a bite. During a Feeding Period like before/after the Spawn and Fall when fish are feeding heavy it is Good.

I have also had good luck during the Summer when the water is low and the fish are more concentrated into the deeper cuts. The Competition Factor seems to make them hit it harder.

Usually it os a One Fish at a time deal, but I have caught up to 3 at once.

Not something I want to throw all day but will if it is the Deal of the Day.

I can see where Trolling with it should work to.

Read my mine. I found a David Fritts Heavy 7ft cranking rod on mark down.
Should be here tomorrow.

If you are as dedicated to crankbaits as I am you need to try one. David is a NC legend that I would put in the KVD class on crankbaits. His rods are glass and carbon. Thick backbone and a tip soft enough to slingshot baits.

His medium power rod is my go to rod on 1.5 crankbaits and I'm really looking forward to using the deeper and heavier KVD baits.

I got it for $58 delivered on Ebay. His rods are a steal at the regular $80 price from Academy. I will probably buy another medium for a backup. I have not found anything better at any price.

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[Smallie_Stalker]

Read my mine. I found a David Fritts Heavy 7ft cranking rod on mark down.
Should be here tomorrow.

If you are as dedicated to crankbaits as I am you need to try one. David is a NC legend that I would put in the KVD class on crankbaits. His rods are glass and carbon. Thick backbone and a tip soft enough to slingshot baits.

His medium power rod is my go to rod on 1.5 crankbaits and I'm really looking forward to using the deeper and heavier KVD baits.

I got it for $58 delivered on Ebay. His rods are a steal at the regular $80 price from Academy. I will probably buy another medium for a backup. I have not found anything better at any price.

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I don't want to get this thread off-topic but I just want to add a comment about David Fritts.

I'm a crankbait fisherman first and foremost. I had the opportunity to meet David Fritts in 1994 and talk with him for close to 1/2 hour over lunch. The amount of information he shared with me in that short time was astonishing and it changed the way I approached cranking from then on. He confirmed that some of my ideas were correct, then set me straight on some of the myths most anglers have about fishing cranks and the mistakes many of them make, most due to buying into those myths.

He was featured in a recent article in Bassmaster magazine. Though some of his equipment has changed over the years his basic, no nonsense approach is still the same.

If anyone has that issue of Bassmaster I recommend reading his article, even if cranks aren't your strength. You just might find something in there to adjust your approach with them and give them more consideration on future outings.

I now return you to your original program already in progress........ ~lo

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[geneinnc]

I don't want to get this thread off-topic but I just want to add a comment about David Fritts.

I'm a crankbait fisherman first and foremost. I had the opportunity to meet David Fritts in 1994 and talk with him for close to 1/2 hour over lunch. The amount of information he shared with me in that short time was astonishing and it changed the way I approached cranking from then on. He confirmed that some of my ideas were correct, then set me straight on some of the myths most anglers have about fishing cranks and the mistakes many of them make, most due to buying into those myths.

He was featured in a recent article in Bassmaster magazine. Though some of his equipment has changed over the years his basic, no nonsense approach is still the same.

If anyone has that issue of Bassmaster I recommend reading his article, even if cranks aren't your strength. You just might find something in there to adjust your approach with them and give them more consideration on future outings.

I now return you to your original program already in progress........ ~lo

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Preaching to the choir! I envy you the experience.
Maybe if I hang around Lexington bbq I can bribe him with free pork??

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[mygreenihc]

Everyone has their own opinion,  but I don't see the umbrella rig causing one.  Besides,  we have a South Mississippi redneck admin that lives for that sort of thing.  He is a grumpy old cuss to... 


I fish umbrella rigs quite a bit.  You will need a heavy outfit (and a can of spinach) if you plan to fish them all day.  I have fished tournaments where I threw one the entire day on several occasions this year.  I have won some good money this year using them.  But,  as stated before,  there is a time and a place where they work great,  other times you are getting a workout for nothing.  they seem to work best for me in stained water.

I canot help with perch questions,  but if you have questions regarding A-rigs and bass,  I can probably answer some of them.

What part of the country do you live in?

Brad

[geneinnc]

NC, Lake Hickory.

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[BarryFL]

I'll just let this picture speak for itself...



Those are 3 17in. I caught 85 that day in Dec. A rigs work under the right conditions.

~Barry~

[Oldfart9999]

I dropshot most of my perch, easy, nontiring, simple, works most of the time.
Rodney