MICRO GUIDES........

[analfisherman]

Ya, I'm in total agreement Kris.
Live link in my last post.

Check out the Fuji K-R video too, it has a real good explanation and videos of the line flow.
Showing micros too.
I'm a spinning rod believer and user.
As I mentioned, spiral wrapping also brings the best of Baitcasters and spinningrod benefits all in one setup.

Thanks for the good input Kris!

[FloridaFishinFool]

Straight Micros setup for spinning gear DOESN'T work well because the inability of the line to go straight down to a guide flush with the first guide (referred to as Stripper Guide or Butt Guide) with out experiencing 'over choking or bunching' of the line, PLUS you experience 'line slap' against the rod itself.

I am really glad you mentioned this problem with micro wave guides.

And this is why I won't use them.

If you look at the slow motion video of what happens to the line coming off the reel during a cast, it is clear that the micro wave guide is a hindrance to the line's smooth flow through the guide system.

What the slow motion video shows is the line actually comes off the spool faster than it can flow through the micro wave guide and you can see the velocity of the line itself actually try and fly right on past the micro wave guide and it does sometimes. So yes, it does bunch up behind the micro wave guide, but it does mute the wave tremendously but at what cost?

Traditional guides provide a more tapered muting system spread out over the length of the rod. And when you view slow motion video of the traditional guide system during a cast you do not see line "bunching" as you stated.

This is a critical downfall for the micro wave guide itself because it is trying to do much too soon and too quickly and there is a price to pay which is a difference of line flow speed off the reel and through the micro wave guide that causes line bunching up behind it.

One thing that changes this is the diameter size of the reel's spool. The smaller the diameter of the spool the less bunching occurs, but the larger the diameter of the spool the centrifugal forced loops of line coming off the reel are much wider causing the micro wave guide to mute to a much greater degree causing more back up or bunching up of the line behind the micro wave guide.

This problem is noted by Darren Heim of American Tackle Company:

"As Doug Hannon explained to me, oscillation doesn't always represent the round motion of line coming off of a spinning reel. It can be side to side or up and down and any time you have wild line that is not traveling in a straight line or touching the blank, rings etc., you have friction. This friction can harm the casting results.

Recent evidence has shown that line overrunning the stripping guide can negatively affect performance, which I happen to agree with. Smaller guides reduce this movement however there are times when line coming off the reel can overrun the stripper guide frame which can cause line to stall or create friction slowing the line down. This is where distance can be lost and even increase the chances of backlash by reducing line speed slower than it is coming off the reel's spool."

This is a known physical fact when using microwave guides. Just watch the video in slow motion to see this.

And for those who think this increases casting distance then hey, buy into it. Nothing wrong with buying into something and using it.

But what is funny about this whole situation is that a person does not need a microwave guide to accomplish the same thing as rod builders have known for a long time. Even old Ray Scott was ahead of the tackle game when he sold his own line of Ray Scott spinning rods made by Kistler just for him. I have one.

The Ray Scott stripper guide is the size of a dime seeking to accomplish the very same thing in muting the line oscillation wave coming off a spinning reel.

Here is old Ray Scott holding one of his rods he was selling- and they are some awesome rods too! Super lightweight, strong backbone, fast action and made by Kistler.



http://www.rayscott.net/news/ar/bmu03.html

"Scott's idea of light-tackle is not ultra-light gear. He's designed a Sportackle™ spinning rod with a sturdy butt section and tapered tip to handle light-line and downsized lures, but capable to battle bruiser-size bigmouths.

The Ray Scott Sportackle™ rod is custom-made in 6 ½ and 7-foot models with unique smaller guides to improve casting distance and accuracy with spinning tackle.

"The first stripper guide is only about the size of a dime," continues Scott. "This small guide quickly reduces the size of loops off the spool and line slap on the blank to increase casting distance and accuracy," explained Scott, who has been experimenting with the design for almost 20 years.

"First time, I realized that conventional, silver-dollar size stripper guide didn't perform with the most efficiency was meeting a Japanese world champion distance caster at Lew Childre's booth at the Chicago Tackle Show in the 1970s," said Scott. "His surf casting rods had a super-small stripper guide."

So where do you think this idea came from for the micro wave guide??? They were not the first.

The main difference is the amount of muting that takes place should not impede line flow the point of bunching it up behind the stripper guide to the point where it actually flies past the stripper guide because the stripper guide is slowing it down too much with too much muting going on too fast.