We talk about lubing bearing and drive gears; but I was in a discussion about slide parts; like the clutch plate to the frame. What is everyone's opinion; light oil, dab of grease,or dry?
Oil on bearings, grease on everything else.
For me, if it's a contact point it get's at least grease, sometimes a half a drop of oil with the grease. I also lightly grease the threads of the screws in the side plates ~shade
I usually apply a thin coat of grease with a small paint brush.
General rule I follow when lubing ANYTHING...
If there is a contact point between two moving surfaces, it gets lubed.
What type of lube depends on what sort of movement and/or parts are involved, and sometimes comes down to nothing more than a gut feeling.
If the lube needs to stay in place on it's own, or the parts are flat, slide against each other, or move against each other slowly, grease.
If the lube will be held in place, are small, rotate against each other, or move at high speeds, I use oil.
Not everything falls perfectly within those parameters, that's where the gut feeling comes in. Sometimes there are parts to things, not necessarily reels, that you'd think need to be greased. But maybe you need to use oil because you can't get grease into those parts thoroughly. Door hinges, for example.
What about for a bail arm that is sticking? My shimano nasci spinning reel feels like there is resistance or friction closing the bail by hand after casting and isn't closing smoothly after just a month and a half. I've seen both suggestions for grease and oil, so I'm not sure which is better...
Quote from: JDV on March 01, 2018, 11:14:23 AM
What about for a bail arm that is sticking? My shimano nasci spinning reel feels like there is resistance or friction closing the bail by hand after casting and isn't closing smoothly after just a month and a half. I've seen both suggestions for grease and oil, so I'm not sure which is better...
Grease only for bail and its got to come apart. Oil on bearings.
Oil on a bail could be like spraying water on a fan.
Quote from: FloridaFishinFool on March 01, 2018, 11:16:37 AM
Grease only for bail and its got to come apart. Oil on bearings.
Oil on a bail could be like spraying water on a fan.
Thank you. Is it as simple as unscrewing the 2 screws on the bail arm, wiping down the flat area where arm pivots and applying a bit of grease?
Usually one side is just a screw. The other side has a loaded spring and other parts inside you gotta be careful don't spring out on you when taking it apart. But no, not as simple as 2 screws.
I'm working on another Shimano Stradic 3000FI right now and just starting on taking the bail apart. And yes, it is bent. I took the easy side apart- the one with just the one screw in the hinge or pivot. The bail is bent and could not wait to spring free when the screw was taken out. So when I put this one back together I will bend the bail wire, but not with this side loose- when I take the line guide apart is when I do the bend alignment. I will post an image of that part later when I get to it and back on your thread.
(https://s26.postimg.org/5dbw2zqeh/IMG_20180301_124847.jpg)
Once that side is loose I go for the line guide roller next... and it is clear someone has worked on this reel who is not familiar with them. There is space between the head of the line roller support and the bail arm assembly. It has been tightened down before seated into place and the line guide roller is completely bound up and not rolling so that is next before the final step.
(https://s26.postimg.org/byom2y161/IMG_20180301_125135.jpg)
Quote from: FloridaFishinFool on March 01, 2018, 12:12:43 PM
Usually one side is just a screw. The other side has a loaded spring and other parts inside you gotta be careful don't spring out on you when taking it apart. But no, not as simple as 2 screws.
I'm working on another Shimano Stradic 3000FI right now and just starting on taking the bail apart. And yes, it is bent. I took the easy side apart- the one with just the one screw in the hinge or pivot. The bail is bent and could not wait to spring free when the screw was taken out. So when I put this one back together I will bend the bail wire, but not with this side loose- when I take the line guide apart is when I do the bend alignment. I will post an image of that part later when I get to it and back on your thread.
(https://s26.postimg.org/5dbw2zqeh/IMG_20180301_124847.jpg)
Gotcha. Is this kind of what I'll be looking out for in terms of parts that may come out when disassembling the bail arm?
https://youtu.be/xJ36LY8erls?t=56 (https://youtu.be/xJ36LY8erls?t=56)
Not the parts seen in the photo I just posted. Those screws and other part is for the AR bearing I just installed after cleaning...
That video is for an Abu, not a shimano, so no the parts inside the Abu on the video are not anything like your shimano.
Quote from: FloridaFishinFool on March 01, 2018, 12:25:49 PM
Not the parts seen in the photo I just posted. Those screws and other part is for the AR bearing I just installed after cleaning...
That video is for an Abu, not a shimano, so no the parts inside the Abu on the video are not anything like your shimano.
Hmm, alright. I was hoping it was just standard spinning reel parts, but no luck. I can't seem to find a shimano bail arm cleaning or repair video. Everything seems to be more with the spool and internal repairs. All the cleaning videos I've watched don't even disassemble the bail arm.
If it's under warranty I'd let Shimano deal with it they'll know what to do, ask them for what they suggest for lube also. If you tear it down take pics as you go along so you'll be able to put it back together right, don't ask me how I learned that little tip. lo
Rodney